Jaredite Devilish Barges

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Mormon depiction of Jaredite barges following each other. The wind would catch the sides and  push them sideways to maximize discomfort for all occupants.

Questions Jaredite barges…Book of Mormon, book of Ether

  1. How many people started the journey northward to the Valley of Nimrod.
  2. Jared and his brother=2 it says nothing about their parents.
  3. Ether 1:41 indicates that both Jared and his brother had families that should go with them. The verse indicates that they were farmers and herdsmen, not shipbuilders. The verse indicates that other friends with families would go with them. Ether 6:16 tells us after landing in America years later that the friends numbered 22 souls. This could represent 4 families of 8 adults with 14 children.
  4. Verse 14 tells us that Jared has four sons but we are not told if any had wives, and Jared’s brother had sons and daughters. There is no mention whatever of Jared’s parents so we presume they died or declined to go. To make it easy let us say Jared’s brother had two girls and two boys.
  5. Verse 11 says they were 344 days on the water.  How is it possible to be in an enclosed container gyrating to the point of turning upside down in the open ocean with mountain waves and fierce winds that never ceased, with lights on 24/7 and only on rare occasions is the hatch opened for air and to see if it was day or night, and still be able to keep track of each 24 hour period 344 times??? The question, of course is, are we dealing with a sadistic God that likes to torture people as long as possible or are we dealing with some ridiculous tale by J. Smith for whatever reason.
  6. It is easy to forget that, if you believe such a journey, you have to believe the Noah story where God didn’t have him build 8 different ships. The Bible God knew that one larger ship on the open ocean with giant waves is better than 8 bathtub submarine versions, at least for the occupants of the vessels.
  7. The lunatic idea of carving holes in 8 finished vessels both on the top and bottom is laughable in a fairytale, and tragic in real life when a man with an I.Q. of 90 would know better.  Where would they get the tools and expertise to cut into planks and make a hatch that is opened and closed quickly and be waterproof when closed especially submerged in the depths of the ocean, and can withstand an elephant crashing into it when the barge overturns or when an 8 foot wave hits the side of the boat throwing all the contents to the far side at a 45 degree angle or more.
  8. In Ether 2:16 God tells Jared’s brother to make another set of barges “after the manner of the barges which ye have hitherto built“, and of course got into and traversed a large body of water. Now he is giving instruction to build another 8 in the same fashion to cross another body of water. The next 2 verses described what Moriancumer has now built finishing with “I have made the barges according as thou hast directed me.” All eight!
  9. In Vs 19 an absurd statement is made about needing lights in a closed container in order to see to ‘steer‘. The ridiculousness continues when he explains to God they won’t be able to breathe because he built them exactly like the ones God told him to build again, where they crossed a large body of water, but now, much to both God and Jared’s brother’s surprise they realize neither they nor the animals can breathe in the barges they built before or the ones waiting for launching on the beach! The blind leading the blind.
  10. Jared’s brother wondered while making again the 8 barges, and reviewing his Noah story, why God wouldn’t want them all in one large boat like He designed for Noah. They certainly used enough wood on the eight to make one large comfortable ship for ocean travel. Noah was only told to take two of every kind of animals because the Bible God designed a stable vessel. In Ether 6:4 we find that the Jaredites took ‘flocks‘ and ‘herds‘ and whatever other beast they should carry with them along with provisions.
  11. If we can believe Ether 9:18-19 besides the birds, bees, fish, cattle, oxen, cows, sheep, swine, goats, we find in vs 19 that if the flood killed all living creatures in North and South America, they had to have brought in those 8 barges elephants, horses, asses & especially cumons and cureloms which were very useful to man but seem to have died out.
  12. If we want to stretch the logic further, they would have had to bring all animal and bird life indigenous to North and South America, including the grizzly, coyote, bison, mountain lion, wolf, jaguar, monkeys, anaconda, etc.

13. If we have to deal with elephant size cumons and cureloms along with horses, oxen, grizzlies, bison, asses, bulls, cattle the extra hatch on the bottom would be very problematical with fierce winds that never did cease with mountain waves putting these huge animals weighing tons shifting violently from one side to the other and eventually landing on what was once the top hatch along with tons of food for the occupants. Hell would be a welcome relief for anyone subject to 24 hours per day for 344 days with no circulating fresh air to breathe. Much longer if you are in the large animal barges!. Do a simple test, take an empty bottle, except for the air that is in it and then take a deep breath and try and add your air to the bottle with as much pressure as you like. It is like with the airtight barges no new air can come in unless there is a way to vent the container. The ‘fierce winds’ skimming over the top of the hatch will get no fresh air where it is needed. The mountain waves precludes the times when the hatch was open.

Ether 6:5 “…the Lord God caused that there should be a furious wind blow upon the face of the waters, towards the promised land; and thus they were tossed upon the waves of the sea before the wind…they were many times buried in the depths of the sea, because of the mountain waves which broke upon them and also the great and terrible tempests which were caused by the fierceness of the wind.”

14. For starters, if God wanted elephants in America after the flood, he picked the worst way to transport them there. An elephant weighs between 4 and 6 tons. It eats 5% of its body weight per day so in 20 days it would eat 4 to 6 tons of vegetation plus 30-50 gallons of water per day. So we have 17 periods of 20, or 17 times 6 tons or about 100 tons of food for one elephant and at least 13,000 gallons of water just for the one elephant. Can you imagine a 4 ton elephant or a 2000 lb horse or oxen being tossed against the hatch in the top or bottom or against the human feeding it? Smith knew about flat bottom barges on the Erie Canal that transported goods animals and products on a very stable water way, not an ocean. If mountain waves’ broke upon them, this caused violent unexpected movements inside that moved people, animals and tons of cargo violently against the sides or what was once the top when it turned over. There would be deaths and serious injuries the very first day! And deaths by lack of oxygen the 2nd and 3rd day.

Obviously these heavily laden huge animal barges would be dragging through the water at a fraction of the speed of the ‘people’ barges. It would be obvious that for an elephant to enter a barge, the entrance would have to be much larger and with the weight of the animals and provisions 50-100 times greater than Jared’s barge, the construction needed to be considerably stronger. There is no indication how these barges with over 200 tons of cargo ever got loaded and launched in the water! And if God was trying to dodge hitting islands or reefs he would have his hands full changing the wind direction if the barges were strung out hundreds of miles apart. Mormon God! Even I know you made a bad choice compared to the Bible God’s Noah.

15. A horse consumes 2-3% of its body weight per day with 6-8 gallons of water. A cow eats about 80 pounds of feed per day with a regular supply of water. In a gyrating vessel with low oxygen you certainly wouldn’t want anyone to be pregnant! Clearly God and Smith never thought through the ramifications of this fable.

16. No question, the barge with Elephants, horses, oxen, bison, grizzlies, etc with food would need to prepare for a much longer voyage than Jared’s barge. Elephants leave huge amounts of dung and the caretakers of these precious animals would have their hands full trying to keep urine and fecal matter from contaminating whatever they are being fed. With the mountain waves and seawater flowing in whenever the hatch is opened to dump the waste, there were those who murmured about God’s choice of travel. There may have been those singing praises to God in Jared’s barge, but not the animal barges!

17. Whenever the hatch was opened for air, more seawater came in than air! They were lucky to get a couple of buckets of vomit, urine and feces thrown out before the next wave shoved more liquid into their living quarters. Moisture caused their food to mold and rot. Without circulation the air was not life sustaining. Many slaves died being brought to America in holds of ships from lack of oxygen because of lack of circulation with top vents open.

18. If, as some apologists speculate, the group walked all the way to China to embark on the ocean voyage, then they would have to interrupt their march many times to find or grow food for an uncertain voyage. If they brought seeds, they would have to find a fertile place where they would grow, harvest it and collect seeds for another year. China was thousands of miles away and they had no idea how far. Why God had them build 8 air tight barges to cross an unnecessary body of water is beyond reason, especially since they were death traps that would kill everyone within a day or two with no air. A march to China could easily take 2-4 years. Didn’t God know the timeframe any more than J. Smith?

19. So why did God think that 344 days in 8 small submerged vessels on the open ocean with fierce winds and mountain waves was more appropriate than one ship like Noah where the animals were contained but the humans had the freedom of fresh air on the deck whenever they felt the need and the refuse could easily be thrown overboard?

20. Had God directed them to Murmansk, Russia, built one boat like Noah and sailed for Quebec the total travel would have been a fraction of going to China and the sea travel one fifth the miles. Why does the Mormon God purposely punish his chosen? With Lehi’s group they could have arrived in Bountiful in 3 months with no suffering. But God/Smith has them going in circles in the dreaded Empty Quarter of Arabia for 8 years which would not have been humanly possible! He then tripled the sea voyage distance with the hardships of food, water and the difficulty of sailing 15,000 miles in a ‘great calm’.

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